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September 6th, 2005
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Whedon is my master now
Which I saw on a t-shirt, and the more I think about it, the less likely I'd be to wear such a thing. In one sense, sure, it's skewering Lucas, saying that he's no longer the king of the Sci-Fi hill (I think he wandered off it sometime in the early 80s, but that's a separate discussion). But the quote itself is using Lucas' dialogue to shape the discussion about Sci-Fi, and I think that letting Star Wars rest is better than making half-baked witticisms.

All that said, I watched no shortage of Firefly over the weekend. I got the theme song stuck in my head but good. I even went to www.serenitymovie.com and clicked on "buy tickets now", only to find nothing much of interest to me there.

I browsed IMDB's page on Jewel "Kaylee" Staite. She was on the X-Files episode "Oubliette". I may have to go back and watch that episode just to verify this.

I went back and watched the trailer again - having seen none of the episodes before watching the trailer the first time. Hey, I recognize those people. I see Kaylee and Zoe and Inara and (when did this post turn into "Romper Room", I wonder?). Hey, is that menacing guy Jubal Early? I'm looking forward to seeing River kick some butt.

In my browsing around the web, I discovered a grass roots campaign to set up a service where you could subscribe to new episodes of the show. I think the business model makes sense, but I doubt the numbers of subscribers around would make the direct-to-DVD marketing of it generate appropriate money. Prove me wrong - I'd love to see demand-driven content creation take off, and I'd love to see more shows in this universe. This isn't too far removed from an article I just read on "The Street Performer Protocol".

Of course, if Showtime or HBO were to purchase the show from Fox and run with it, I wouldn't mind, either.

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From:ginsu
Date:September 6th, 2005 09:49 pm (UTC)
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the quote itself is using Lucas' dialogue to shape the discussion about Sci-Fi

And Lucas' dialogue wasn't a good idea the first time around.

Also, I hate to say it to the Whedon freaks, but Buffy was terrible the last two seasons and Angel was even worse ("oh my God, Angel's a muppet"). We really need a third nominee.
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From:celisnebula
Date:September 7th, 2005 01:58 am (UTC)
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Buffy was terrible the last two seasons and Angel was even worse

:oP

I happen to like Buffy (it is nice and campy, and something I can watch with my 10-year old without too much worrying), though I do agree that Angel was pretty crappy. I just couldn't make the jump from Buffy to Angel, probably cause it didn't have Giles.

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From:ginsu
Date:September 7th, 2005 04:32 am (UTC)
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I like seasons three and four of Buffy well enough to own them on DVD.

It's just that when the show moved to UPN, and Whedon brought back Buffy from the dead... again... and migrated the show's metaphors from teen to twentysomething themes such as abusive relationships and drug addiction, the show seemed suddenly to forget the campy angle and take itself seriously. And that was a shame.
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From:celisnebula
Date:September 7th, 2005 04:43 am (UTC)
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and migrated the show's metaphors from teen to twentysomething themes such as abusive relationships and drug addiction, the show seemed suddenly to forget the campy angle and take itself seriously.

There were some good shows during that whole grow up segment, but, yeah, anything after high school the brat-boy hasn't seen yet because I'm not sure I want to explain the whole girl on girl aspect of Willow's relationship after Oz's departure (among other things).
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From:ginsu
Date:September 7th, 2005 05:21 am (UTC)
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How did you explain the girl-having-sex-with-vampire part? Or the girl-having-sex-with-werewolf part?

"They're wrestling. It doesn't mean anything."
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From:celisnebula
Date:September 7th, 2005 02:03 pm (UTC)
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How did you explain the girl-having-sex-with-vampire part? Or the girl-having-sex-with-werewolf part?

"They're wrestling. It doesn't mean anything."



I’m one of those bad mothers who is very open with her child about things like sex, drugs, violence and the like. He knows that people have sex, and why they would want to have sex, though he’s in that ew gross phase. In kindergarten, I actually got a call for a parent teacher conference because Thomas explained the whole “how babies come out of a mommy’s stomach” to one of his classmates whose mother had went into to the hospital to have a baby. His explanation was two people, who love each other, create a baby by having sex, and then the baby lives inside the Mommy’s stomach for 9 months, then she goes to the hospital and the baby comes out where she goes pee.

*Shrugs* I believe that if it’s going to be on television or in books, and your child has access to that sort of information, then you have a responsibility as a parent to make sure your child understands facts from fiction. Many people disagree, and think you should simplify things, or not tell a child things, but I’ve never been that way with the brat-boy. I’ll censor some things, to a certain extent with him, but it really depends on a lot of factors – mostly based on whether or not something freaks me out. As a result, I have a highly intelligent, well read ten year old child in the accelerated program at school (wish I could take credit for his brains, but his curiosity is all his).
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From:ginsu
Date:September 7th, 2005 02:47 pm (UTC)
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Well, what I really meant was: As someone who's never had a kid, I don't know where I would draw the line.

In your case, the line seems to be between (a) a girl and a vampire in a sexual relationship and (b) two women in a sexual relationship. In my case, I have no idea what it would be.

I'm skeptical such things seriously influence kids in general, but on the other hand I would be reluctant to expose a kid to some of the things one can easily find on the Web without meaning to find.

I read Piers Anthony's Xanth books as a kid and was entertained as a result and not, to my knowledge, warped. Yet in rereading the first book recently I discovered repeated references to concepts such as forced bestiality (the consequence of a human and another species simultaneously drinking from a love spring). Would I, therefore, recommend A Spell For Chameleon to my seven year old kid, if I had one? I don't know.
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From:celisnebula
Date:September 7th, 2005 06:24 pm (UTC)
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It isn't so much that I drawn a line between (a) and (b), we've had discussions on different forms of "love" and how it's expressed, it's just that there is a difference between the explanation and the actually view of it. I'm not all that sure I'm ready to go into all that with the Brat-boy, though, with my luck, he probably has already seen it and moved on; I've younger siblings who don't always use good judgment when it comes to viewing things around Brat-boy -- he's already seen Sin City {to my displeasure}.

Books are even harder, I have a ton of science fiction, including Anthony's Xanth books, and it is totally a different read when you have an adults perspective. Right now, Brat-boy is in the middle of reading Brian Jacques Redwall series and Anne McCaffery's Pern series, and even though have some cringe worthy adult concepts I'm not really sure he gets, but they're not so blatanly adult that I'd not allow him to read, I'm just glad he is reading. Getting a pre-teen male interested in reading is a struggle because so much of the youth fiction is geared towards girls.
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From:celisnebula
Date:September 7th, 2005 02:20 am (UTC)
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Whedon is my master now

I amost snorted soda all over my computer screen when I read that (read it wrongly I might add because I thought you had written Wheaton and that is just plain wrong).

I'm still in my "I adore Roddenberry" phase, even after the crappy "Earth Final Conflict" garbage his widow tried to pass off as a Roddenberry original. And yes, I did feel like crying when Enterprise was canceled because it *did* have so much potential and it *was* getting better.

I'd be quite happy to have the Sci-Fi channel pick up and run with Firefly. I've been re-watching the shows before Star Gate on Fridays, catching anything I missed the first time around. I adore what the channel has done with BattleStar Galatica, and I think they've done an admirable job with the Star Gate series after Showtime dumped it.

And yes, Jewel Staite was in the x-files episode "Oublitte" as character Amy Jacobs, she was also on Star Gate: Atlantis not too long ago.

*Sighs* I have no life.
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From:tsmaster
Date:September 7th, 2005 03:09 am (UTC)
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Hm, maybe I oughtta give the SciFi network a break - I agree, BSG has kept me tuning in. It's by far the exception, though. When I think of "SciFi Network Exclusive", I think about Dean Cain and some horrificly mutated crocodile.

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From:celisnebula
Date:September 7th, 2005 03:16 am (UTC)
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When I think of "SciFi Network Exclusive", I think about Dean Cain and some horrificly mutated crocodile.

Oh I quite agree, those Saturday night movies are just pretty ... well, wrong comes to mind. I think they try too hard when it comes to longer pieces they think the public wants, but they do well with their series shows. Farscape, if you ever get a chance to catch an episode, shows just how well Sci-fi can do with original material.

Another station that has surprised me lately is USA... they've got this new series called "The 4400" which is quite compelling, and if you can get past the whole mental image of Molly Ringwold's underwear, "The Deadzone" with Michael Anthony Hall is not too bad either.
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From:tsmaster
Date:September 7th, 2005 03:20 am (UTC)
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if you can get past the whole mental image of Molly Ringwold's underwear

Hasn't happened yet.

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From:celisnebula
Date:September 7th, 2005 04:45 am (UTC)
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Yeah well, its not something I like to think about... she's just not my type (too skinny and too store bought red).
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